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03-06-2007, 06:02 PM
I just bought a used .50 cal CVA from a woman. When i went to clean it i could not goe the breech plug out--even after i put the gun in a vise to secure it. Any tricks to getting it out or is it just brute force?
03-06-2007, 06:29 PM
What kind of muzzleloader is it? Inline or traditional?
I did the same thing to my Encore 209X50 when it was new. Using 3 pellets of Pyrodex. I actually didn't really even fire it a lot of times or get it hot. I had my local gunsmith use a huge ratchet he had to get it out while he had it in a vice. Learned my lesson. Thompson makes Teflon tape you can wrap around your breech plug which will prevent this from occurring. I haven't found the Thompson tape locally, so I have just been using regular plumbers teflon tape. It has worked for the last two seasons with no problems.
03-07-2007, 06:05 AM
I've never had one sieze up before so I have no advice on how to remove it, But for when you do get it out I use Birtch Wood Casey chocke tube lube on mine and have never had a problem removing them. Good luck I hope it works out for you.
03-07-2007, 06:54 AM
I am not sure what brand it is, but when I was buying all my MZ accessories I came across an item for this purpose. Well, to prevent it from seizing. It is some type of anti sieze that comes in a package about the diameter of a 50 cent piece and is about a 1/4" thick. Flip the lid open and dab your finger in it and wipe on the threads of your plug. It's small enough to tote anywhere and I keep it in my possibles bag with the other essential stuff. Everytime I pull the plug for cleaning or what not, I reapply after cleaning the threads. It was only a couple bucks. I am not sure if all stores are the same but it was just intermixed with all the other items for MZ's.
As far as getting your plug out, I second the idea of pouring some penetrating oil or something of the sort into the barrel and let it do its thing. It would create less havoc on the head of the breech plug by loosening things up. Brute force could very well damage the plug head if there is even a slightly sloppy fit from the wrench being used. Hope that helps.
03-07-2007, 07:37 AM
When you put it back in there It doesn't need to be tightened with a breaker bar either. I have seen people crank them things tight. there is no need for it make things easy on your self!! I just snug mine up with a little tc anti seize!
03-07-2007, 09:20 AM
Yea, that sounds like a problem. It may be beyond the point of return to getting that thing out. if the previously mentioned things do not work- I would consider leaving it in. I have a sidelock CVA were the breechplug should not have come out- and the plug metal is soft, so when you put it in a vise and and use a big wrench- guess what- Your left with half the breech plug in one hand and half left in the barrel. I also have one of the original knight rifles- the thing must be approaching 15years old now and have seriously considered just leaving the breech plug in and never removing it. I clean the thing by removing the stock and bolt and dipping the action end ito a bucket of hot soapy water. Then running a cleaning patch up and down the barrel. This seems to be the best way to clean both the breech plug and barrel. Both come out spanky clean. I then remove the breech plug and clean the grease of the threads- regrease and place back in the gun. i have often wondered why not just leave the breech plug in, i know the ingition hole is completely clear and it has always looked good, saves the trouble of removing the plug in the first place. Besides I never remove a pug from the sidelocks- anymore.
In addition, since this is a used muzzleloader it may have been left unclean. I have had a couple people bring guns like this to me for help getting them shooting well. if the inside of the barrel is well pitted it may just not shoot well at all ever again. I would try to clean the inside of the barrel as well as I could. Make sure the ingition hole is good and open, then try shooting and check accuracy. if it doesn't shoot worth a darn it might be better to just send it down the road and try again before spending more money on this thing. Some people just do not realize that leaving a muzzleloader barrel interior uncleaned after the season often means doom for the gun, but it still looks OK from the outside and sell it.
good luck and once you get things figured out- you realize muzzleloaders are anything but antique weapons- they are modern killing machines that make slug guns obsolete "in my opinion", and generally gives you a week of gun hunting without the crowd- except in NY!
03-07-2007, 02:32 PM
I think the stuff Kellyelk is talking about is called " gorilla grease " I use that on my plug too . I haven't had any trouble with my encore . Jim
03-07-2007, 02:43 PM
Thanks Jim. I couldn't remember the name and it has been driving me nutty. That is the stuff. Small package and easy to carry.
03-07-2007, 03:21 PM
You mean gorilla glue?
03-07-2007, 03:28 PM
You mean gorilla glue?
No, it's gorilla grease, glue on your breach plug is a definite no no. I've always wondered why a breach plug is necessary, I never removed the plugs on my Hawkins.
03-07-2007, 03:34 PM
I find mine handy for cleaning and even had an occasion to use it to get a stuck power belt out. It stopped halfway down the barrel due to fouling while sighting in. A regular bullet puller wasn't working to well with the ballistic tip. I have one of the CVA Wolf models and it breaks open like a shotgun.
And yes as strange as it sounds it is Gorilla Grease. I wonder if one was a by product of the other?
03-07-2007, 07:31 PM
Where do you buy Gorilla grease?
03-07-2007, 08:27 PM
Rooster , I bought mine from either the local gun shop or my local wal mart has a small gun department with some muzzleloader stuff . Jim
03-08-2007, 07:18 AM
I bought mine at Jax Outdoor Gear.
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