TC 209 primer trouble ??

[pahunter]

Hey all,
I took my 50 cal Triumph out to the range to shoot at the 100 yd mark for the first time and got an unwanted suprise, 4 out of 8 primers misfired. They looked like they went off but never fired the load, put the next primer in and off she went, but this is not at all what I expected out of this rifle. In total I fired about 18 to 20 shots out of this rifle since I purchased new 6 months ago, never had a problem until these last 8 rounds, I cleaned between each shot, mostly a dry patch or 2 between.
I am very happy with the paterning that Im getting from this rifle though, easy a 3 inch group at 100 yards., but this prmer issue took the wind out of my sails to say the least, hopefully just a bad batch of primers.

Anyone have any thoughts ??

[njmarek]

It sure sounds like a bad batch of primers. That happens from time to time. Try some Winchester Triple 7's. I've yet to have a bad one using 100 grains of Triple 7 powder in my T/C Omega.

[pahunter]

I thought the winchester primers didnt fit the TC muzzle loaders ?

[rooster52]

I use Winchester and CCI primers in my Omega with great results.

[turkeyhuntr]

All 209 primers are the same size the differance is in how hot they are.

[WMU3A]

the odds are astronomical of gettinga bad batch of primers. more than likely you are contaminating the primers yourself by some sort of contact with them. Be careful not to touch the primers with any cleaning sovents,etc on your hands. Never touch the bottom of the primer with anything. Buy yourself new primers ankeep them sealed in a tin can, load them directly into a primer holder/loader and store that in the tin as well. Primers absorb moisture just as quickly as black powder does.
I've never spent the few extra cents for MZ primers vs. shotgun primers an don't personally see any sense in it when using powders other than black powder as 777 an Pyrodex pellets are low sulfur to begin with.

[Nr1 Qualifier]

Have you checked to see if the hole in the breech plug is clear all the way through
and not obstructed? It doesn't take much to deflect the primer fire especially if some
solvents or residue got into the plug. Try blowing the plug out with an air hose.

[pahunter]

I didnt handle the primers at all, always in there tray in the dry. I did have a question about the breach plug opening, is it nessesary to stick something in there after cleaning, to assure its open ??
I use a wet patch and 2 dry's between each shot but never removed and cleaned the plug until I got back home from the range.
Do any of you make this a habit between shots ??

[buckgitter]

I didnt handle the primers at all, always in there tray in the dry. I did have a question about the breach plug opening, is it nessesary to stick something in there after cleaning, to assure its open ??
I use a wet patch and 2 dry's between each shot but never removed and cleaned the plug until I got back home from the range.
Do any of you make this a habit between shots ??

There you go.... the wet patch pushes crud into the breech plug....keep a paper clip handy and run it through the hole after you swab it... or fire a couple primers through it...
Also if you have complete misfires then there is solvent left in the plug thats draining into the primer pocket.

[greenshovel]

There you go.... the wet patch pushes crud into the breech plug....keep a paper clip handy and run it through the hole after you swab it... or fire a couple primers through it...
Also if you have complete misfires then there is solvent left in the plug thats draining into the primer pocket.


This is more than likely your problem, also get a breech pick and give it a poke after you swab the barrel between shots.

[Biggame1]

I have noticed a difference in accuracy between winchester and cci primers. I have them both and can't remember which are more accurate. Does anyone know? Thanks is advance

[Rich M]

I think CCI are hotter than the Winchesters.

Back when I was reloading shot shells the Winchesters were the coolest ones we could get and worked great for some loads. We used Federals for our cold weather duck & goose loads.

[KyHunter]

I have experienced some trouble with the triple 7 primers in my OMEGA. It doesn't seem to want to egnite them. They look like they went off but ther was no pop to it at all. The winchesters worked very well with out a single misfire. I'm wandering if they arn't made a little different inside.

[WECoyote]

The 777 and remington muzzleloader primers are less powerful. A problem with hot primers and 777 pellets made them reduce the power. The hot primer would push the bullet up the barrel a little bit before ignition causing a drop in accuracy. It was also causing a ring of burnt powder in the barrel that caused the next bullet to not be seated all the way down. The primer chance cured those two problems.

FYI - CCI is the hottest

[Biggame1]

I had the same trouble with my primers. I was using a wet patch and then dry patches until the barrell was clean. What I wasn't doing was wringing the excess liquid out of the wet patches before I swabbed with them. I got a DVD from T/C and they showed the correct way to field clean the muzzleloader and it helped greatly.
I just bought some of the BLACK HORN powder and ordered the new 250gr ez sabots from Barnes website. I can't wait to try them. I have a new Triumph and the barrell is thight. The new sabots should fix the problem. I had to order them from Barnes website because no one has them in stock yet.
GOOD LUCK!!

[Whttailhunter]

I sure am glad I don't have this problem. But wait, everyone is finicky to try out the kind of muzzleloader I have.

[Biggame1]

What kind is it?

[Whttailhunter]

I have the CVA Electra, and so far it's been a good muzzle loader. I don't have to worry about primers cause it has a electronic ignition. I've shot over a 100 rounds and hunted in 20 degree weather with the same battery and still will turn on and fire the same. A lot of people who never owned the gun like to put it down and there is no call for it. They don't know what they're talking about and judging it by the cover. Since it's electronic I don't have to worry about going into the added expense of buying different brand primes and powder usage to find the right combination that shoots the best. I just add the powder.

[pahunter]

hey all,
just an update on my primer trouble, Ive since shot at least 20 rounds after my issue, Im thinking it was that my wet patch was too wet, my triumph has been great ever since, thanks for all the replies

[JohnM]

T-7 primers work great in my Triumph. I swab between each shot using one wet patch both sides with IPA/windex 50/50, followed by one patch with 100%IPA followed by one dry patch both sides. I clean the plug the same way after every 8-10shots.

[tjen]

I allways fire a primer before reloading to make sure its dry, then I load it and prime it fore the next shot.
My omaga has been flawless with the win 777 primers and 777 powder.